finding pogies?

[Merrillizer™]

I appreciate your expertise, man. I don't really want to compare resumes and the length of our cockpumps. But my new cockpump is striped w/ lots of bells N whistles, so it's pretty cool. I have been doing this for 10 years. I have admin'd forums & sizeable SQL databases that would make you pass out, fall down, and bump your head. Have you been just a Moderator on some forums, or are/were you an actual web site / system / database Administrator? You keep mentioning you're not an internet forum rookie. I have manually edited MySQL databases for 12+ hours straight for clients, till my eyes bled. So I have done my time over the years, I have earned my stripes. So dont turn this into a pissing contest. I been there, I done that...

Swears directed at people for reasons of sophomoric personal attacks ARE NOT welcome here.

I like to swear when telling a story. I am a New Englander. I like it. I don't hide it. I'm not a fake ass bitch. I'm up front, a stand up guy. Not a pretender. I own this place, so I will do as I please. But I will never swear at you and call you names. This place is meant to be an alternative to the "larger" forums you speak of. We are not trying to be like them. I won't yell at you or ban you for mentioning your business or web site like some other forums with owners who are trying to be millionionaires off the Striped Bass. In fact, I will scratch your back if you scratch mine. I continually go out of my way to help folks, especially LOCAL folks and businesses. This is meant to be more of a relaxed atmosphere, like when you're actually ON THE WATER or IN THE WOODS or AT THE PUB etc. That is MM.

If this forum is too "relaxed" for you, then what can I possible say? It is what it is. Love it, or leave it. But it's here. If you like the more "Gestapo" style forums with "Big Brother" always looking over you, with a STIFF, over-moderated & uppity atmosphere, then this place is DEFINITELY not for you lol



This place is more of a member-based forum. Members can police themselves. We rarely moderate, because we rarely have to. Thats the way I like it. Everybody plays fair, and everybody reaps the benies.

I love this @#$%&* place. And I wouldnt change it for the world.

Lastly, you mention that there are no secret spots in the seacoast of NH. How do you know? If its my "secret spot", and I've never seen you there, then obviously you dont know about it lol. People have their "secret spots", and there is nothing wrong with that. Maybe someone does know about it, maybe a few people know about it. THAT ISN'T THE POINT. The point is, 90,000 people don't know about it! You are completely missing the point of the No Spot Burning rule. Decipher it how you want, but the fact remains that 98% of the folks here understand it and accept it and know how to abide by it. About once a year though, someone comes along who cant understand or accept it, and they try to rattle the cage and debate the rule. If you want to broadcast every spot you fish or hunt over the internet, THEN THAT'S YOUR DECISION. Go buy a domain name, set up some web space or a server, and serve up your site and publish everything you want. Then come back here in a year when your most productive spots are smashed in with Humanoids and all the problems that come along with the disease known as "Too Many Fuck!n People" and let us know how you feel. That'll spike ya tone up there a little different, won't it?

Some people dont want to publish everything online. Some people think that folks should actually have to do some foot work for results, not have everything handed to them on a silver platter over the internet. Everyone wonders how people like Roc consistently find, battle and beat large pound-class Striped Bass. It's pretty simple actually....he has continually put the time, effort and footwork into it for what, almost 40 years?? That's how. Not getting exact locations from the internet like some people would rather do. That's easy. Those like Roc DIDN'T HAVE THE NET and couldnt rely on Spot Burners for info. Most people want to do things the easy way, they want everything given to them. And thats why Lurkers and Content Scrapers will never be as successful. You gotta get out there and DO IT. Not rely on Spot Burners to give you the 411.......

[HarryG]

Can we lock this bitch up now? It's the fall run we should be fishing.

[Administrator]

Blackducks gets a response, out of respect. Then we go into lockdown mode. This thread has been taken off-topic enough. Sound good?

[HarryG]

I like your style...for an ass@#$% moderator you are a pretty fair guy

[s2ary]

What is this a freakin' Geek A Thon.

I sponsor a dozen 3/0 deceivers and a Stripped rubber ding-dong

[blackducks]

Merrillizer;

1st and foremost I am not here to compare resumes and see who's man parts are bigger. I merely mentioned my experience because people keep implying I don't understand how these things work and that is untrue. I think I understand as well or better than most here. Just because I don't agree 100% with soemthing you or someone else says doesn't mean I don't understand.

Let me simply say it is your site and I will follow your rules. That should be enough to end this. However, I didn't( and still don't )believe I burned any spots. What I posted is no different than what countless others have posted. Never saw them called out?

Again, your site so run it how you see fit. You can classify me as challenging the rule, even though I am not, if you wish but that is not an accurate assesment of the situation. I don't always agree with rules I have to enforce as a Mod but I do it without question because I don't own the site. My feelings on your spot buring rule is the same. I actually will follow it and feel I have followed it based on what I have seen posted here by others without incident.

My argument is that I wasn't actually burning any spot so I was not breaking the rule against doing so. Burning a spot is giving EXACT details on where to fish. In other words go to such a such and creek, go 3 bends, then fish by mooring #... or providing say GPS coordinates to an exact area. Actually, I believe that is what a Mod/Admin posted that the rule was designed to stop NOT naming general areas. Providing exact detail is burning a spot to me and I believe is what your rules are meant to stop. How is providing a general area spot burning though? What amazes me even more is my post about where I saw Pogies made it clear I saw them there a week previous.

I base my stand on this on countless other similar posts on other areas I have seen here that never raised a stink. How is me saying I saw some Pogies near such and such a cove or dock, A WEEK AGO, any different than people posting they caught Striper's, Blue's, Flounder, etc... at the new UNH Pier, at the 2KR, Breaking Rock, Mouth of the Merrimack, or even better saying you caught a Striper at the mouth of Hampton Harbor and then showing a photo clearly showing where it was caught behind the guy holding the fish( I have no problem with it nor with that person that posted it - just an example )? I posted before I caught flounder in Rye Harbor and Blue's in Ipswich Bay by the Anisquam River Marker. No one called me out for doing so. How was my Pogie post different? 3 posts, all with general area names, yet only one was a problem? This is a serious question and I am not trying to be confrontational.

IMO, this is not challenging your rules. If in fact what I posted broke your rule then I am far from alone and enforcement of it is not consistent so how I am to know what to do and what is allowed? This recent issue makes it appear that enforcement of the rule only occurs when an important member gripes because his/her general area was named.

There is no need to continue this argument but it sure is confusing to me as to what the big deal was. I just want it clear I was NOT and am NOT challenging your rule. I can fully appreciate it and follow it without any problems. I just feel I didn't actually break it though. If I did then you need to be more consistant with enforcement because what I posted has been done by countless others which lead me to believe what I posted was the "norm" here. Maybe that is why every year the rule is challenged as you say? Okay in one post and not in another.

Last comment. The swearing? Well, swearing is just uncalled for. I feel bad for folks that can't express themselves in public without swearing. I have lived in NH my entire 40, soon to be 41, years so I am a New Englander as well. Yes, I can swear with the best of them but I don't believe it is needed on a public forum where kids can see it. Your site however as you say so if it is cool with you okay but it may turn people off.

Your site your rules = AGREED! Can this die now please. I will be good - honest.

[oddfish]

I still rule this thing has got like a 10 % responsere rate, Just like washington (selling because it is interesting not in the best intrest.)

I hesitate to put this out there but in the intrest of fairness I feel compelled to.

I think Blackducks has a point on the consitency issue. I thought it at the time it happened, but I tend to just let things like that go.

Also I have some insite on this peice of river that makes it a bit different, but that does factor into the consitency.

By the overlords view I should have been called to task weeks earliler with that post about the new UHN peir at the mouth of the PIS right across from the coastguard station (you have to admit that was pretty specific) And some of us had to give Coleman repete posts to explain the location.

I think in my humble oppinion that is what is frosting the BUTT of our 41 year old (and Grumpy) member .

Now go fish and be happy you bastads.

Remember its not the size of your Rod, but rather the angle it is at, and how long it stays up!
(VIAGRA AND SEE ALICE ADDS GO DIRECTLY BELOW) They shoud be giving us oodles of add money

Oddfish

[bluefintuna]

reading all the posts on this topic it sure looks like no one is out fishing

ever since the internet came to be I have read most fishing sites

these days I have maybe a dozen plus bookmarked that I scan most days

this one is one of, if not the best, of them

the big difference is the 2-5 people who post frequently and offer tons of advice to anyone who asks

another difference is that this one is very specific, ie. covering the small area from the Merrimack, to Hampton, and up to the Dover area

so if someone posts about a VERY specific spot there is a greater risk of "spot burning"

I respect the rules and think most do as well

the only comment is I'm not sure someone posting they saw pogies say under the Rt 1 bridge in Newburyport or Adams point is spot burning per se

maybe it would be better to simply say that there are pogies in the Merrimack or the Pisc: not sure

anyway, stay dry on don't forget there is still a LOT of fishing ahead

and thanks to Merrillizer for all the work he does keeping this site

[oddfish]

Originally Posted by bluefintuna

reading all the posts on this topic it sure looks like no one is out fishing

ever since the internet came to be I have read most fishing sites

these days I have maybe a dozen plus bookmarked that I scan most days

this one is one of, if not the best, of them

the big difference is the 2-5 people who post frequently and offer tons of advice to anyone who asks

another difference is that this one is very specific, ie. covering the small area from the Merrimack, to Hampton, and up to the Dover area

so if someone posts about a VERY specific spot there is a greater risk of "spot burning"

I respect the rules and think most do as well

the only comment is I'm not sure someone posting they saw pogies say under the Rt 1 bridge in Newburyport or Adams point is spot burning per se

maybe it would be better to simply say that there are pogies in the Merrimack or the Pisc: not sure

anyway, stay dry on don't forget there is still a LOT of fishing ahead

and thanks to Merrillizer for all the work he does keeping this site

Hear Hear I agree if we get buzy fishing we cannot type this drivvel, I would be gone by now but my nutty kids are trying their damndest to get into enought trouble that they won't get to go fishing this mornig. Maybe one of the cats will try to eat them and the ordeal will be over. We're going to Hampton for some inner harbor fishing and maybe some more mini Crevalle, MMMMM good pickling (I think HA HA) The boats the Linda Emily give it a shout I Scan the channels.

Thought of the day:
At least Paulin is eazyier on the eye's than Hillary, But it shure would have been fun to watch Bill roam the halls and corridores with no responsibility.

Oddfish

[bluefintuna]

just an example from another site yesterday
(on the water)

Last year was a great year for pogies in Great Bay, and this year has been even better, according to Kyle of Suds ‘N Soda. Bass and blues are chasing the pogies from Adams Point to Fox Point. Anglers tossing chunks or drifting eels are getting nice fish all along the Piscataqua River out to the 2KR Can. From sundown to sunup, the beach brigade along Rye and Hampton beaches has been picking off keeper-sized stripers on chunk mackerel, pogies and herring.